What’s good MT Fam!
I’ve received a lot of questions this year since Maschine had plugin hosting, wanting to know how to using midi generation plugins like chord players, etc, inside of Maschine.
We know that Maschine doesn’t allow internal MIDI routing, so my answer was always “maschine doesn’t have the proper routing yet”
One of our own MT fam hit me up about it, with a specific plugin he wanted me to try.
I tried it, and of course it didn’t work…but I couldn’t give up, I figured there had to be a way to make it work
Well, I found a different plugin, one that is FREE for both Mac and PC users, and spent some time to make it work.
*access instantly when you join today!It works and the plugin is called Tonespace 2 : http://www.mucoder.net/en/tonespace/
It’s really dope and easy to use, check it out.
Also, make sure you have copperlan installed, it’s a virtual midi cable that makes this work flawlessly http://www.copperlan.org/
You could probably use a physical midi loop, but I find this cleaner and it has less chance for creating a midi feedback loop
have fun fam!
Nice Tutorial. I forgot I had this software. Just updated to the latest version.
No doubt bro, nice lil tool for sure.
hold up… hold the H double L’S did u just play one note and it played it as a chord.. or im just brain dead form lack of sleep
Yes, the software lets you play chords with a single note lol
I have a question saintjoe… damn its date night, i can wait
LOL, aight fam, lemme know!
i just download the midi controller and not the copperlan package.. and i have kontakt but i never used it.. where are the videos that explain how to use it… i have george dukes by NI.. and i have an idea for a nice neo soul beat.. but me kontakt 4 not on the same page… or do i just need to purchase komplete 8..
You need the copperlan package for it to work, that’s what puts the virtual midi cables on your computer. What do you want to know about Kontakt specifically? You don’t need to buy komplete 8 to understand kontakt. Let me know what you need fam.
That is freakin handy! Good find thank fam!
No doubt bro! Have fun wit it…I’m just exploring and pushing this platform as far as I can lol.
Hmmm….looks very interesting. So this essentially does what Ableton’s ‘Chord’ tool does, right? I might have to watch this one a few times – the set-up will take a few times to sink in. Plus, the extra step of setting up Copper-Lan makes it just that little bit more complex. Just so I’m straight – you have to go through that whole process to set it up for EACH instrument that you want to play chords with? I guess you have to be aware of which midi channel is going to what, right? I’m still getting my head around routing… Read more »
Yeah, once you setup copperlan once, you’re done, I just showed it in case someone hasn’t used it before. As far as the midi routing, it’s really quick actually, I just like to draw it out the long way to make sure it sinks in. It’s all about midi channels really.
Looks like you can also use this to learn how to play play chords for real, which will benefit us all in the long run as musicians. But for convenience, it’s pretty cool. With all the technology out there, I sometimes wonder why everyone doesn’t produce music these days lol.
Exactly bro, which is why I also mentioned that in the vid. It will help you learn the actual keys that are part of any scale/chord, which is what I really dig about it personally. As I am constantly trying to learn more theory/chords myself.
‘With all the technology out there, I sometimes wonder why everyone doesn’t produce music these days lol.’ Yeah, man….there is no excuse now! I remember back in the day thinking it was SO expensive to even get a little set-up to make beats. Like you needed a sampler…AND…a sequencer….AND….a midi keyboard….AND….a soundcard. And that was just a basic set-up! If you wanted a reverb, or a delay – you had to buy a damn box! Plus, there were no-where near as many ‘self-help’ free, or near free resources to help you learn all that stuff. Honestly, today, you could be… Read more »
Yes indeed
Hey Joe Nice one of course. Does it make a difference if ur running maschine in 32 or 64 bit mode, cuz im not seeing tone generator as a plugin option to load in maschine. I installed copperland as you said. I can open tone generator by clicking on its icon just cant see it in maschine as a plugin.
Yes, it’s a 32 bit plugin, to use it in 64 bit windows you need jbridge. On mac you just have to use maschine in 32 bit mode.
Yes Sj u did it man lol Thank u so much u just open up a whole world for me with this one trick…gotta watch the vid a few times but im most def gonna gets this rocking by tonight.
thanx MT MASTER !!!
No doubt fam, I’ve had this question plenty over the year, but when the MT Fam ask, I do my best to make it work, somehow!
It’s actually really slick man
sj do i need to keep copperlan running in the background or can i close the whole app after i setup v midi ect…
You can close it bro, it’s just like your normal midi/audio settings, once you have it setup, it’s there, you never have to touch it again 🙂
how do you save your vmidi routing is copperlan.
evertime i lauch the file i just worked on I have to open copperlan again and reset
Load it up, set your settings, then go to the module menu where the arrow is (where you load plugins) and you’ll see the option to “save as default” and just save it. Now it will open with the proper settings every time.
always wanted to learn how to use one of those programs. sj you are a boss.
Glad to help fam, glad to help!
Hey SJ how did you save the set up so every time you load tonespace the set up is auto loaded???
Peep this video
https://maschinetutorials.com/how-to-save-plugin-presets-into-the-maschine-library
instead of save as, do save as default and it will be the default for that plugin
Thanks man still trying to remember all this shyt LOL. Can any body say Masters Degree needed 🙂
No doubt fam, it’s all good!
Man… I am so gonna get this man. WoW. I suck at chords..I basically play until I get it…but with this I can study and also make the song while I learn. SJ thank you Son !!!
No doubt son, I feel you!
This nice SJ. Does this do inversion,sevenths ninths etc?
I used to use harmony navigator but it not a plugin
It does quite a few and you can customize it as well, very deep for a free app, and useful. i’m pretty sure it does ninths but I didn’t see inversions, however I wasn’t specifically looking, main thing I was trying to do is figure out how to make it work wit Maschine 😉
I just installed this man. It rocks.This the best thing since sliced bread honestly. Thank you so much for this. We probably would never stumbled upon this in a million years.
Appreciated bigtime
Awesome fam, really glad you find it useful!
I will be downloading this tonight!!!
No doubt brotha!
Hey Guys, Great tool for a dude like me who doesn’t know any chords at all 😉 I had an issue with the CopperLan – it didn’t show any midi ports – so I found another Virtual Midi call Maple Virtual Midi (http://www.maplemidi.com/Maple_driver.html) – it’s free as well. It works and I can play the chords using Tonespace and Kontakt 4 – just as you show in the Video. BUT BUT – its like one thing can not keep op with the other so it’s kind of clicking and hacking when I try to record stuff. Is it some Maschine… Read more »
yeah I tried a few different ones to use with maschine and copperlan was the best. You have to actually click on the plus sign in the connection for it to show the midi ports, they are not there by default.
sounds like the midi cable isn’t working very well. As I said, I’ve tried a few, and stopped with Copperlan.
I tried a re-install now the CopperLan is working – great! 😉
Thanks for the input 😉
Good news!! I love it, very lightweight and flexible.
Inspirational!
Welcome and enjoy it!
Saintjoe,
Can you get this to work inside Pro Tools?
You probably could, it would be the same setup basically. I don’t have pro tools to try it but I don’t see why it wouldn’t work.
Perhaps KnockSquared could do a test and a video if successful 🙂
Indeed!
Great video bro but for some reason when I hit the keys it plays back a lot of keys at one time. Got any suggestions?
it’s supposed to play back a lot of keys, it’s a chord generator.
Well I fixed that problem but now it won’t play chords. When I use the built-in-synth it plays but when I use vmidi1it doesn’t.
make sure you have vmidi1 as an input for maschine, and make sure you’ve set whatever sound/pad you want to trigger in maschine to “sound midi settings” and choose the proper channel.
been messing with this but i just wish i can mess with the volocity like some other chord generators, playing all the chords all the same levels makes it sound to machiney lol
I hear ya lol, haven’t looked into that aspect yet just wanted to get it to work. You can always adjust the note velocity in Maschine though.
is ‘jbridge’ the only solution to the 64bit issue? just asking because i dont want to buy it and then find out i didnt need to or could have used something else
if you want to use 32 bit plugins in a 64 bit host you need a bridge. Jbridge is the most versatile since it isn’t tied to a specific daw.
you can download the demo and see how it works before buying it, but if you have 32 bit plugins that you want to use in a 64 bit environment, it’s worth the fee in my opinion.
thanks about to cop it right now
word son, you can demo it first to make sure it works for you
Yes !!!!
Have fun with it my brotha!
true sj……. thanx for the help again thou…. my request seem to always hav alot of responds im seein lol
You ask stuff a lot of people ask, I like the challenge lol.
Ive done that bro but it’s playing like I am pressing 15 different key at one time.
Check to see what type of chords it’s set to play, everything I’ve done is in the video. Check the trigger settings, check the “assist” settings. And check the settings for the midi channels. Make sure you don’t have multiple instruments responding to the same midi channel.
Its like I am running my fingers across my keyboard really quick instead of playing a chord. I’ve been messing with this since last night man and its driving me crazy. lol
Did you make sure you dont’ have multiple instruments set to the same channel?
Yes. I don’t have any other instruments powered on except maschine. I followed step by step but the outcome is not the same.
where are you sending the midi to? what instrument? And what are your trigger and assist settings on?
I’m using kontakt 4 inside Komplete 7 and my midi controller. It plays single notes but when I change to the midi trigger option in Tonespace that’s when it goes crazy
What is your midi trigger set to, and what chords are you set to?
I’m at work rite now bro but I had everything set the same as you did in the video. Im in Japan bro so I will post when I get off to let you know. Good looking on the help though
Japan son! Whas good over there, what you doing? lol
after getting through all the little technical shit finally got it working and realized that this was one of the most essential/crucial video post i’ve come across on MT!!!! it introduced me to Jbridge which is a must have and amped up my melodies to next level…
SJ u da man and i cant say it enuff gud looking out fam
Dope bro, glad you got it working, yes jbridge is that joint too son!
Lol. I work for the Navy bro but me and my people throw parties out here and believe me they love some Hip Hop out here yo. It’s cool but can’t wait to get back home bro.
I figured it was some type of military son, I know they love hip hop over there son!
My wife’s in but it a nice experience bro
No doubt fam.
Wish I could do that with my own samples.
You can bro, it will work with your samples too. Just do the sound midi setting to set the channel for the pad and you’re good to go. It doesn’t have to be kontakt or any other plugin you send the chords to 🙂
SJ I finally figured it out bro. It took me a min but I had the tonespace sound midi settings on 2 and that was giving me that crazy playback but I’m up and running now yo. Just needed to slow down and back track. Thanks for the help bro. This spot is where its at bro.
Ahh okay, I see what happened, glad it’s working bro!
hey joe, for some reason maschine wont recognize tonespace 2 as a plugin when i go to select it… any idea why this may be?
thanks alot
It’s 32 bit, you’re probably using maschine in 64 bit, so it can’t use it.
SJ I have a question about copperlan. When you open your Copperlan app does it suppose to say no copperlan in the bottom right hand corner? Should I be able to to change or set my midi configurations everytime I open the app?
You only need to set it once, it’s like plugging in a midi cable. Set it up once and then close it, you don’t have to open it every time.
Ok understood but when open yours does it say no copperlan? The reason why I’m asking is because yesterday when I got everything working it showed that I had enternet connection and everything but today it’s saying no copperland and I can’t get the Tonespace working. I saved as default so everything’s the same so I’m wondering if it’s the copperlan
No, never had that issues, nothing about ethernet/internet either, just the midi connection. If you go into the connections tab, does it not show your vmidi connection?
Not within copperlan. Yesterday when I installed it I had options but today it won’t show anything within the top tabs. Now when I go to Maschines audio and midi I do see vmidi but I don’t think it connecting or something. It’s funny yo because I thought I was rocking last night and now this lmao.
inside the copperlan manager there should be a settings tab and such, it should look just like mine in the video. In the settings tab make sure you have ethernet adapter set to none, it should be local so the midi is only working on your computer.
is tonespace capable of playing the instruments within maschine ie organ keys? I dunno if that question makes sense but wat i mean is instead of using kontackt just being able to load tonespace and then select an internal instrument for it to playin in chords?
ummmmm nevermind sorry for the dumb question lol
Yeah, you can use it on anything, just set the pad/sound midi channel.
Yo SJ, 1st I want to say i appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us all and next, can the m-audio keyrig be use as a midi controller to play chords with maschine and how can I do it?
No doubt fam, glad to help. I don’t know what the keyrig is but if it’s just a regular midi controller it should work. This is a plugin that is being used inside of Maschine to send midi chords to other plugins, so it will work with any midi controller you have hooked up to maschine.
I cant even get tonespace to show up as plugin in maschine, have it on my desktop and done the re scan but tis not showing u.. should i have to set up copperlan on a mac aswell, does the mac not already have the Virtual midi built in?
Got it in as a plug in followed the instructions on the website when i re downloaded it had deleted the other files needed!….
Cool 🙂
Got it going now, this is crazy!!… been learning piano for a bit now this is just nuts lol
Indeed bro 🙂
Im confused. Do i need to use this Copperlan if Im not using Kontact? Are there any videos showing how to set up Copperlan? Cheers
copperlan is how you route the midi, you could also do it with a physical midi loop
But when loading the manager all i get is a grey screen with ‘No CopperLan’ down the bottom right. All 4 tabs contain a blank grey screen.
you have to set it up first, it’s not going to automatically work, you have to create a virtual midi connection under the connections tab
watch this video
https://maschinetutorials.com/sequence-multiple-channels-from-reason-in-maschine-via-rewire-on-pc
Cool man – another 2 reboots to the computer often solves everything! Seems to work ok now.
Ahahahaha lol, cool man.
Dumb question but how do you save the settings in tonespace? My saved presets are greyed out when I try to load them..
I just saved my settings as a module preset, so I clicked on the module drop down and chose “save as default” for tonespace so it would load with the proper settings every time.
Oh nice, will try that – thanks!
One more question (before I sit the sack), I dont suppose your using the Korg M1 VST with this? It doesnt seem to wanna play with Tonespace (getting no sound) whilst other vst’s are fine. Any ideas?
No I don’t but it should work, if you can trigger it in Maschine you should be able to trigger it with tonespace. Make sure midi settings are enabled for the sound/pad.
sit the sack?! HIT the sack